Are students interested in any dialogue?

The NUS suggest 50,000 students marched in London earlier in the month. If they are so interested in dialogue I wonder why out of 70 or so MPs contacted by this website were only 4 actually lobbied by students, parents or NUS representatives on that day?

Strikes me that they weren’t that interested in dialogue.

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6 Responses to Are students interested in any dialogue?

  1. Philip Painter says:

    They're interested in keeping student fees low. Dialogue with strongly whipped MPs won't do it.

  2. editor says:

    1) Many protestors were actually calling for no fees (not keeping them low)

    2) Poor argument also put forward by students. "Dialgoue wont do it"… they NEVER TRIED. Do they think smashing building will make MPs change there mind. Not according to those got in touch with – though of course you may know better?

  3. Philip Painter says:

    1) Whether the call is for low or no fees is of marginal interest to this argument. Grants would be a much better way forward (and a reduction of the number of stupid courses).
    2) This is not a poor argument. If, in your opinion, a course of action would not work, would you try it? Of course some students, lecturers and parents of future students did lobby MPs with predictable results.
    Wanton vandalism, of course, is not the answer either; although it makes much better TV than a demo or some quiet, ineffective lobbying.
    The current student fees in the UK are much higher than the rest of Europe (Netherlands 1300euro pa down to a nominal 30euro in France).

  4. editor says:

    Grants would be a better way forward in your opinion. Having seen the actions of many students some would suggest they now deserve no taxpayer support. Education (at the age of 18) is not a god given right.

    You say some students did lobby. When? This Government is 6 months old. I can certainly provide hard evidence that on the day of a student protest…a student protest I may add where many students justified violence because no one was listening, that in actualy fact the vast majority of Conservative Members of Parliament who responded, (a not insubstantial amount) were not contacted in any way to discuss the issue of student fees.

    Expressing an opinion that something will not work is the kind of argument a child gives when they dont want to do something. if they have not even tried to lobby then they have no moral authority to suggest it will not work.

  5. Philip Painter says:

    Whether or not something is God-given is irrelevant.
    I realize that you wish to reduce government involvement in education as well as other areas but government is one of the ways society expresses itself.
    I have lobbied MPs starting with Quentin-Hogg for many decades now. I have no figures about how many of the student demonstrators lobbied anyone but that it their choice. Over the years I have become increasingly cynical about the effectiveness of lobbying unless the circumstances are unusual. Maybe the students _have_ learnt something – lobbying is an ineffective way to cause change.

  6. editor says:

    There are several arguments there. You are effecively saying you have tried to loby but it didn't work. Maybe you weren't very effective at it.

    Some people may try swimming and give up – it doesn't mean people can't swim.

    You have no figures re how many MPs were lobbied during the last demo. Out of 70 MPs (a fairly reasonable sample) only 4 I contacted were lobbied. Ergo clear stats that during the last protests engagement wasnt onthe agenda.

    Then of coure we could go onto the argument is it legitimate to create havoc if you are a substantial minority that care about something? In which case the pro hunting lobby march (which also involved lobbying) should have to achieve its end.

    Or how about an issue whereby every poll indicates the public have a different view to the Government Capital punishment? The Government don't listen to reintroduce it. A majority want it. Is it legitimate for vioent protests to achieve?

    I'd say no.

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